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The war on terror primed America for autocracy

  • Politics
  • Security
  • Foreign Policy
  • Surveillance
  • History

The piece argues that America’s response to 9/11 did more than launch wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It reshaped the country’s legal and political habits. The Patriot Act, mass surveillance, torture, indefinite detention, homeland security bureaucracy, and a stronger presidency made exceptional powers feel normal. That, in the essay’s frame, primed the US for a later leader willing to use those tools more aggressively at home.

Treat crisis powers as permanent product changes to the state, not temporary patches. The thread’s practical lesson is that once surveillance, emergency authority, and militarized institutions are built for foreign enemies, they tend to get turned inward and outlive the crisis that justified them.

Discussion mood

Mostly grim agreement. People saw the article as stating something long obvious: the war on terror normalized civil-liberties abuses and executive overreach, then made them durable. The main disagreements were about when the slide started and whether today’s US should actually be called autocratic.

Key insights

  1. 01

    Modern surveillance made old impulses scalable

    State overreach is not new, but digital infrastructure changed the ceiling. The sharper point here is not that post-9/11 politics invented authoritarian ambition. It is that internet-era surveillance, data retention, and administrative reach gave presidents tools earlier eras lacked. That makes the current moment qualitatively different from the Red Scare analogy people reach for by default.

    When you assess political risk, separate intent from capacity. A government with the same instincts but far better data systems, identity systems, and monitoring tools can do far more damage than older historical analogues suggest.

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    • ReptileMan #1
  2. 02

    Cockpit doors mattered more than TSA theater

    Several commenters argued that the durable fix for 9/11-style hijacking was not the sprawling airport security ritual. It was a narrower set of changes. Hardened cockpit access and a universal passenger understanding that hijackers now intend mass murder changed the game. That weakens the case that the broad security apparatus was a necessary trade for safety.

    In your own org, separate controls that measurably reduce risk from visible rituals that mainly signal action. Crisis spending often locks in the second category because it is politically sticky even when the first category did the real work.

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    • tfourb #1
    • crote #1
    • laserlight #1
  3. 03

    Torture broke legal recovery paths

    The torture point landed as more than moral outrage. It created a legal trap. Once evidence and detainee treatment were corrupted, the system could neither credibly try people nor safely release them, leaving Guantanamo as a permanent monument to exception-based governance. That is what makes torture feel like a structural break, not just a wartime abuse.

    Shortcuts taken under pressure can destroy your ability to return to normal process later. If a crisis response poisons evidence, oversight, or due process, you may be stuck with the workaround long after the emergency ends.

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    • nullhole #1
    • tialaramex #1
    • amanaplanacanal #1
  4. 04

    America is degraded, not yet Russia

    The strongest pushback came from people who have lived in more overtly authoritarian states. Their point was that the US has absorbed serious authoritarian features without becoming a full autocracy. You can still publish attacks on the government, organize opposition, and rely on courts that are not simply an arm of the ruling party. That comparison does not excuse the slide, but it does keep the label from becoming analytically useless.

    Use precise regime language when you brief teams or boards on political risk. Calling every degraded democracy an autocracy can blur real thresholds that matter for market entry, employee safety, speech risk, and compliance planning.

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    • noduerme #1 #2
  5. 05

    Afghanistan was a NATO war too

    One commenter corrected the article’s US-centered accounting of Afghanistan. After the US invoked Article 5, allied countries also sent troops and took substantial casualties, including the UK, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Georgia, and Denmark. That matters because it undercuts the lazy idea that the war on terror was purely an American project with no allied buy-in or cost.

    When you evaluate strategic failures, track coalition participation, not just the lead actor. Shared buy-in means shared institutional incentives, which is why bad security doctrines can spread well beyond the country that starts them.

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    • rob74 #1

Against the grain

  1. 01

    Bin Laden did not clearly get what he wanted

    The clean “bin Laden won” line got challenged on his stated objective. If his core goal was expelling US forces from the Arabian Peninsula and reducing American influence in the region, the immediate result was the opposite. The US expanded its footprint, deepened security ties, and only shifted troops geographically. Calling that victory muddies what strategic success means.

    Be careful with narrative symmetry. An attack can trigger self-destructive overreaction without meaning the attacker achieved his explicit political aims.

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    • derektank #1
    • mullingitover #1
  2. 02

    The war on terror was an accelerant

    A recurring objection was that the article overstates 2001 as the origin point. America had already normalized emergency powers and rights suspension through earlier episodes like wartime crackdowns, Japanese internment, McCarthyism, and the war on drugs. The more accurate frame is not “this started it” but “this made an old pattern bigger, richer, and more technologically capable.”

    Avoid monocausal histories when you reason about institutional failure. If you blame one shock alone, you miss the older structures that will reproduce the same outcome after the next crisis.

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    • jdw64 #1
    • stateofinquiry #1
    • pyrale #1
  3. 03

    Private surveillance may be the bigger threat

    Some people argued that focusing on the Patriot Act misses the most invasive power that actually shapes daily life. Google, Meta, Apple, and similar firms collect far more granular data than the state ever could on its own. The rebuttal was that corporations still lack the state’s monopoly on violence. Even so, the point stands that modern coercion often runs through public-private combination rather than government alone.

    Do not model political risk as state-only. The real exposure is often the handoff between corporate data collection and government power, especially where identity, location, payments, and communications are concentrated.

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    • agnosticmantis #1
    • applicative #1
    • roarcher #1

In plain english

9/11 ↩
The September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States, when hijacked planes struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Article 5 ↩
The NATO collective defense clause stating that an attack on one member is considered an attack on all members.
Guantanamo ↩
The US military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where terrorism suspects were held for years, often without trial.
Patriot Act ↩
A US law passed after the September 11 attacks that greatly expanded government surveillance and investigative powers.
Red Scare ↩
Periods in US history when fear of communism drove political repression, blacklisting, and civil-liberties abuses.
TSA ↩
Transportation Security Administration, the US agency responsible for airport security screening.
war on drugs ↩
The long-running campaign of aggressive policing and criminal penalties aimed at illegal drug use and trafficking.

Reference links

Primary sources and historical references

War on terror institutions and abuses

Aviation security and hijacking context

  • List of aircraft hijackings
    Shared to ground the argument over how common hijackings actually were before 9/11.
  • Entebbe raid
    Used as a well-known example of how heavily hijackings were covered in the 1970s and how that shaped public fear.
  • Germanwings Flight 9525
    Referenced in arguing that post-9/11 cockpit hardening changed the threat model and that later airline attacks were more often pilot-initiated.

Books and broader historical framing