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Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

  • Open Source
  • Hardware
  • Linux
  • Developer Tools
  • Right to Repair

The post is Asahi Linux’s latest engineering update on getting Linux running well on Apple Silicon Macs. It covers hard-won low-level work across Apple’s custom stack, including USB 3 and Thunderbolt on M3 machines through new ACE3 support, progress toward an official M3 release, and hypervisor support starting to work on M4. This is not a distro feature roundup. It is a reverse-engineering report from people rebuilding missing firmware, drivers, and boot plumbing for hardware Apple does not document.

If you want Linux on Apple laptops, treat Asahi as a long-term platform bet and not a drop-in replacement for current macOS on the newest machines. The bigger strategic lesson is that undocumented hardware shifts real platform control from buyers to vendors, even when the hardware itself is excellent.

Discussion mood

Strongly positive about the Asahi team’s technical work, mixed to pessimistic about the timeline to full practicality. Admiration came from how much reverse engineering a tiny team has pulled off. Frustration came from slow support for newer Macs, weak battery-life expectations versus macOS, and Apple’s closed hardware model.

Key insights

  1. 01

    Apple hardware is the real lure

    The demand for Asahi is not mainly about chasing benchmark wins. It is about pairing Linux with Apple’s laptop package, especially the display, trackpad, thermals, build quality, and unusually large RAM options. That changes the framing of the project from niche tinkering to an attempt to unlock the only laptop line many Linux users actually want to daily drive.

    If you are evaluating Asahi, compare whole-device quality and not just CPU efficiency. Linux laptop vendors still have room to win by closing gaps in input devices, displays, and industrial design, not only battery numbers.

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  2. 02

    Support lag is the core product risk

    The hard part is not whether Linux can eventually boot and run well on Apple Silicon. It is whether support arrives while a machine is still current enough to matter to buyers. Several comments landed on the same practical model: Asahi is likely to be excellent for aging Macs, but perpetually behind for people who buy recent hardware and expect feature completeness and polished power management in the first years of ownership.

    Do not base a near-term purchasing decision on promised future Asahi support for a just-released Mac. It is better suited to extending hardware life than replacing macOS on day one.

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  3. 03

    Asahi is a hedge against software obsolescence

    A lot of the enthusiasm came from lifecycle economics, not novelty. Apple hardware often outlasts Apple’s software support window, so Linux support is a way to preserve useful machines after the vendor moves on. That makes Asahi less about convincing people to buy new Macs for Linux and more about preventing capable machines from becoming stranded by policy decisions.

    For fleet planning, factor in post-vendor life when buying premium hardware. Projects like Asahi can turn a fixed support window into a much longer usable life, but only if the ecosystem reaches enough maturity before devices age out.

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  4. 04

    Open hardware law beats heroic reverse engineering

    The strongest policy point was that volunteer reverse engineering should not be the normal path to operating system freedom. People tied Asahi directly to right-to-repair and documentation mandates, arguing that users should not depend on a few experts rebuilding secret interfaces just to run software of their choice. The disagreement was only over whether Apple deserves credit for leaving some escape hatches in place.

    If platform openness matters to your business, treat it as a policy and procurement issue, not just a community project issue. Vendor documentation, repair access, and boot freedom determine long-run portability more than any single reverse-engineering effort.

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  5. 05

    Virtualization is winning for current workflows

    For people who need Linux tools more than Linux purity, running ARM Linux in a VM on macOS was presented as the practical answer today. You give up some raw performance, but you keep macOS compatibility, shared access to the same files, and better battery behavior. Suggestions like a shared ZFS data partition showed that the real blocker is workflow friction, not only missing drivers.

    If your goal is shipping work rather than testing the platform, use a VM first. Revisit bare-metal Asahi when the missing hardware features and power management no longer cost you daily convenience.

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    The anti-LLM stance is partly legal risk control

    Comments on Asahi’s explicit anti-LLM policy added a practical reason beyond culture war. In a project built on clean-room reverse engineering, generated code that might reflect proprietary Apple material creates a litigation risk the team cannot absorb. Even if that risk is hard to prove in court, several readers saw the policy as a survival tactic for a small project touching undocumented commercial hardware.

    If you work on compatibility layers or reverse engineering, AI coding policy is not just about code quality. It can become part of your legal boundary setting and evidence trail.

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Against the grain

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    A VM already solves most needs

    Rather than waiting for years of hardware bring-up, this view says many people should just run ARM Linux inside UTM on macOS. It uses Apple’s Hypervisor.framework instead of full emulation, so the performance is strong enough for normal Linux work without giving up native macOS support. That undercuts the idea that bare-metal Linux is the only useful path on Apple hardware.

    Before committing engineering time to dual boot or driver gaps, test whether an ARM VM covers your actual workload. For many developer setups it is the fastest route to a stable mixed environment.

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  2. 02

    Apple is allowed to bend ARM rules

    The complaint about Apple violating ARM behavior around WFI was challenged on licensing grounds. Commenters pointed out that Apple’s architectural license gives it latitude here, especially for implementation details hidden from user space. That does not make the behavior pleasant for kernel developers, but it makes it less of a standards scandal than some reactions implied.

    When assessing portability risk on ARM vendors, separate public ISA guarantees from kernel-visible implementation quirks. A chip can be compliant enough for userspace and still be painful for low-level OS work.

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  3. 03

    Apple did leave real boot escape hatches

    Against the dominant hostility toward Apple, a few comments argued that Macs are unusually permissive by modern secure-boot standards. Apple reworked parts of the boot chain so alternative operating systems can be enrolled without jailbreaking the machine, while preserving trust for macOS. The claim is not that Apple is open. It is that the company made deliberate engineering choices that could have been more restrictive.

    If you buy hardware in locked-down markets, distinguish between 'unsupported' and 'actively prevented.' Limited but official boot paths can still make a major difference for long-term software freedom.

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In plain english

ACE3 ↩
An Apple hardware component involved in USB and Thunderbolt support on newer Macs.
Apple Silicon ↩
Apple’s custom ARM-based chips used in modern Macs, such as the M1, M2, M3, and M4 families.
ARM ↩
A processor architecture used in phones, tablets, and many modern laptops, including Apple Silicon Macs.
Asahi Linux ↩
A project to bring Linux support, including graphics drivers, to Apple Silicon hardware.
clean-room reverse engineering ↩
A method of recreating how a system works without using confidential source material, to reduce legal risk.
hypervisor ↩
Software or firmware that lets one computer run virtual machines, which are isolated operating systems inside the main system.
LLM ↩
Large Language Model, a machine learning model trained to generate and analyze human-like text.
Thunderbolt ↩
A high-speed connection standard for displays, storage, docks, and other peripherals over a USB-C-shaped port.
USB 3 ↩
A generation of Universal Serial Bus that supports much higher data transfer speeds than older USB versions.
UTM ↩
A macOS virtualization app that can run other operating systems, including ARM Linux, using Apple’s virtualization features.
VM ↩
Virtual machine, a simplified software-defined computer that runs programs in its own instruction set.
WFI ↩
Wait For Interrupt, a low-power CPU state where a core sleeps until new work arrives.
ZFS ↩
An advanced filesystem and volume manager known for features like checksumming, snapshots, and data integrity tools.

Reference links

Asahi project policies and docs

Project leadership and funding context

Repairability and hardware lock-in

Virtualization and storage workarounds

Battery life and Linux alternatives

Input devices and keyboard history

Other reverse-engineering and compatibility references